Sunday, August 8, 2021

Are East Finns really eastern conquerors. Fiction and truth.

 Being active in the internet I often meet these ideas.  Russians often have opinion about eastern conquerors that populated Finland.  Westerners have another weird habit; they dig again and again 80 - 150 years old dusty papers to prove something.  We have in Finland our own stories, sometimes supported by our researchers, unfortunately.  Common for those people is denialism, they don't want to use up-to-date and comparable scientific  results and if they use available new data they will always find a loophole how to support those 80-150 years old dusty papers.  One of those ideas is to prove that the Finns came from the far east and so East Finnish people have to be an evidence because they are the most eastern Finnish group..


I made a series of Dstat-statistics to see where the East Finns locate on the east-west axis.  I have genealogically proven samples from all Finnish regions and also  classified samples from the 1000 genomes project. 

 

East Finns are closer Southwest Finns than they are from Karelians, despite of the historical Swedish connection of Southwestern Finns. 

KarelianFIN-Southwest-2g FIN-East-2g Mbuti -0.0014 0.001243 -1.152 58418 58585 973547

Karelian FIN-Southwest-2g FIN-East-proved Mbuti -0.003 0.001186 -2.515 19777 19895 314367

Karelian FIN-Southwest-proved FIN-East-proved Mbuti -0.0046 0.001608 -2.84 19625 19805 314366

 

I made more comparisons to see a bigger view and I can cast a challenge.  If someone can give any non-Finnish sample group being closer East Finns than East Finns are from Southwest Finns, I will publish the results and give all kudos to her/him.  Only group on the Russian side I rule out is Ingrians who actually are East Finns who migrated to Russia during the historic era.

FIN-Southwest-proved is from the seaside of Finland Proper and consists of 5 samples.

4 comments:

  1. https://www.kyppi.fi/palveluikkuna/mjreki/read/asp/r_kohde_det.aspx?KOHDE_ID=680010001

    https://kalmistopiiri.fi/2020/09/13/raision-kansakoulunmaen-ristiretkiaikainen-kalmisto/

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    1. Thank you for the link. This information was new for me. Graves and artifacts seem to be common for the late Iron age and early medieval times. First signs of the Christianity is found in SW Finland already a couple centuries before the first known crusade. Crusades brought an institutional Catholic church.

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  2. For some reason I am unable to comment your latest post "Lost Finnish study" so I will post it here and hope you will read it. I think the study you are looking for is this:


    Julkaissut Kalmistopiiri
    Kalmistopiiri on arkeologian ja osteologian verkkojulkaisu (ISSN 2489-9305). Kirjoittajat ovat arkeologian ja muiden menneisyyttä tutkivien alojen ammattilaisia.

    https://portal.issn.org/resource/ISSN/2489-9305

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    1. Sorry, I didn't find corresponding mmaterial. Kalmistopiiri is a reputable site publishing great information. Unfortunately I have not enough time to read it as often as I want. The study I am looking for is purely about genetics, but of course genetic research uses in its research organic objects found by archaeologists. The lost study enlightens genetic profiles of Southwestern Finns around 900 years before present, not only y-chromosomal data, but also autosomal one, publishing first time this kind of data.

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